{"id":46246,"date":"2026-06-26T21:15:05","date_gmt":"2026-06-26T21:15:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/?p=46246"},"modified":"2026-08-28T13:14:30","modified_gmt":"2026-08-28T13:14:30","slug":"the-core-dtoi-argument-sensations-without-cartesian-objective-reality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/the-core-dtoi-argument-sensations-without-cartesian-objective-reality\/","title":{"rendered":"The Core DTOI Argument: Sensations Without Cartesian Objective Reality"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div style=\"height:50px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">The central claim<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I reject the widely assumed claim that every Cartesian idea, merely in virtue of being an idea, contains <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objectively real<\/a> representational content (<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">OR<\/a>).<sup id=\"mfn-content-00000000000037420000000000000000_46246-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote modern-footnotes-footnote--hover-on-desktop \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000037420000000000000000_46246\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000037420000000000000000_46246-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\"><span style=\"color:blue\">To see the many Cartesian commentators who hold either that all ideas contain objective reality or the weaker thesis that all ideas are representational, see my \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/condensation-why-objective-reality-cannot-be-descartess-theory-of-thought-burman-common-notions-and-the-failure-of-the-strict-idea-model\/#TableOfCartesianCommentators\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Cartesian Commentators on the Status of Ideas<\/u><\/span><\/a>.\u201d<\/span><br><br><br><\/span> That universal thesis is too strong. Descartes\u2019s purely <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">strict ideas<\/a> contain <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a> because they internally represent something as the object of thought. By \u201cobjective reality representational content,\u201d I mean the representational content constituted by Cartesian <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a>, namely, the content a mental state has insofar as it internally represents something as the object of thought. But Descartes also uses \u201cidea\u201d more <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">broadly<\/a> for modes or forms of consciousness, including sensations, emotions, volitions, appetites, and other mental occurrences whose distinctive character is not exhausted by objectively real representational content. Some such states can nevertheless have an <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">OR<\/a>-bearing representational aspect. A fear of a lion, for example, is one <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">broad-sense idea<\/a> with an <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">OR<\/a>-bearing lion-representing aspect and a non-<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">OR<\/a>-bearing affective aspect of fear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See my posts:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"129\" class=\"wp-image-46564\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png\" alt=\"An enhanced and colorized golden ornate emblem shaped like a shield or spade displays the stylized letters D.T.O.I. intertwined in gold, framed by decorative curved spiky golden flourishes.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png 1024w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-150x129.png 150w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\"  loading=\"eager\"\/>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/condensation-why-objective-reality-cannot-be-descartess-theory-of-thought-burman-common-notions-and-the-failure-of-the-strict-idea-model\/\">Condensation: Why Objective Reality Cannot Be Descartes\u2019s Theory Of Thought: Burman, Common Notions, And The Failure Of The Strict Idea Model<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"129\" class=\"wp-image-46564\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png\" alt=\"An enhanced and colorized golden ornate emblem shaped like a shield or spade displays the stylized letters D.T.O.I. intertwined in gold, framed by decorative curved spiky golden flourishes.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png 1024w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-150x129.png 150w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\"  loading=\"lazy\"\/>See the complete uncondensed version \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/objective-reality\/why-descartes-cannot-treat-objective-reality-as-a-universal-theory-of-thought-burman-common-notions-and-the-failure-of-the-strict-idea-model\/\">Why Objective Reality Cannot Be Descartes\u2019s Universal Theory Of Thought: Burman, Common Notions, And The Failure Of The Strict-Idea Model<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"129\" class=\"wp-image-46564\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png\" alt=\"An enhanced and colorized golden ornate emblem shaped like a shield or spade displays the stylized letters D.T.O.I. intertwined in gold, framed by decorative curved spiky golden flourishes.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png 1024w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-150x129.png 150w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\"  loading=\"lazy\"\/>and its companion piece \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/objective-reality\/why-objective-reality-cannot-be-universal-in-descartess-theory-of-ideas-nothing-eternal-truths-sensations-and-fear-with-claude-opus-4-6\/\">Why Objective Reality Cannot Be Universal In Descartes\u2019s Theory Of Ideas: Nothing, Eternal Truths, Sensations, And Fear With Claude Opus 4.6<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <strong>central DTOI claim<\/strong> is therefore this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-purple-color\">Cartesian secondary-quality sensations, such as cold, heat, color, taste, odor, and pain, are genuine ideas in a broad sense, but their phenomenal secondary-quality content does not contain objective reality.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They are <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">formally real<\/a> modes of mind. They occur. They are consciously felt. They may be vivid, useful, and practically indispensable. But their reality as mental modes is not the same as objective reality. <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">Objective reality<\/a> is the representational being an object has in the intellect when an idea internally represents it. Mere conscious presentation is not enough. A cold sensation does not contain cold objectively in the intellect. It <em>presents<\/em> or <em>exhibits<\/em> phenomenal coldness as a mode of consciousness. Were the phenomenal coolness to be a representation of coolness it wouldn\u2019t <em>feel<\/em> cool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Why the issue matters<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This question matters because it affects the interpretation of nearly every central issue in Descartes\u2019s theory of ideas: objective reality, sensory representation, <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/39363\/\">material falsity<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/descartes-ideas\/index.html#SimNats\">obscure and confused<\/a> perception, the mind-body union, the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Causal_adequacy_principle\">causal principle<\/a> in Meditation III, and Descartes\u2019s denial that God is a deceiver.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If the phenomenal <a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/qualities-prim-sec\/#RootDist\">secondary-quality<\/a> content of sensations possesses <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a>, then materially false sensory ideas seem to contain God-caused representational content that misrepresents the world. That is a dangerous result. It threatens to make God responsible for systematic sensory misrepresentation. If, however, the phenomenal content of sensations is <strong><em>presentational<\/em><\/strong> rather than <strong><em>representational<\/em><\/strong> content constituted by <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a>, then Descartes has a better option: sensory ideas can be <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/39363\/\">materially false<\/a> because their presentational character supplies matter for false judgment without itself constituting objectively real representational content.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The sensation of cold, for example, is not a judgment that cold exists in the ice. Nor does its phenomenal coldness internally represent cold as a positive quality in bodies. The sensation is a positive, <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">formally real<\/a> mode of mind whose phenomenal character presents coldness and naturally inclines the mind to take that coldness as if it were something in bodies. The error occurs when the intellect takes the phenomenal coldness presented in sensation to correspond to a positive quality belonging intrinsically to body.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Strict and broad uses of \u201cidea\u201d<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The universal-OR interpretation typically depends on moving without sufficient qualification between Descartes\u2019s strict and broad uses of \u201cidea.\u201d Descartes sometimes uses <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">\u201cidea\u201d strictly<\/a> for a thought insofar as it internally represents a thing as its object. In this strict use, \u201cidea\u201d picks out the thing-representing aspect of thought, the aspect whose objective reality can be compared with the formal or eminent reality of its cause. In the Third Meditation, Descartes characterizes such thoughts as <em>tanquam rerum imagines<\/em>, \u201cas it were the images of things\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/66\">AT VII 36<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\">37<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/25\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 25<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\">26<\/a>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The continuation of this passage is especially important for DTOI. Descartes contrasts these strictly so-called ideas with thoughts such as willing, fearing, affirming, and denying. These are not presented as a second idea added to an independently occurring strict idea. Rather, the same thought takes something as its object while having an additional form: \u201cmy thought includes something more than the likeness of that thing\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\">AT VII 37<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 26<\/a>). This structure fits the DTOI analysis of a fear of a lion as one broad-sense mental state with an OR-bearing lion-representing aspect and a non-OR-bearing affective aspect of fear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br> <mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\"><strong>Strict use of \u201cidea\u201d:<\/strong><\/mark> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Third Meditation<\/u><\/span><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/66\">AT VII 36<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\">37<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/25\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 25<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\">26<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dokumen.pub\/descartes-conversation-with-burman-translated-with-introduction-and-commentary-by-john-cottingham-0198246714-0198245289.html\"><em>Conversation with Burman<\/em><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_V.djvu\/167\">AT V 153<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-3\/page\/337\/mode\/2up\">CSMK III 338<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">    <strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Broad use of \u201cidea\u201d:<\/mark><\/strong> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><em>Second Replies<\/em><\/a>, Definition II, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/190\">AT VII 160<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 113<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\"><em>Third Replies<\/em><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/211\">AT VII 181<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/218\">188<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 127<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/128\/mode\/1up\">128<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/132\/mode\/1up\">132<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Ideas and mental states as modes of thought:<\/mark><\/strong> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Third Meditation<\/u><\/span><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/70\">AT VII 40<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/71\">41<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/27\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 27<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/28\/mode\/1up\">28<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em><\/a> I.53, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/53\">AT VIIIA 25<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 210\u2013211<\/a>; I.65, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/60\">AT VIIIA 32<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 216<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <strong>main references<\/strong> are these:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table class=\"has-fixed-layout\"><tbody><tr><td><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Use of \u201cidea\u201d<\/mark><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Descartes passage<\/mark><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">AT \/ CSM reference<\/mark><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Best interpretive use<\/mark><\/strong><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Idea as the form of any thought<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Second Replies<\/em>, Definition II<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/190\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 160<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 113<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>The strongest <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>broad-sense<\/u><\/span><\/a> definition: \u201cidea\u201d is not restricted to the strictly thing-representing use but extends to the form of any given thought.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Idea as whatever is immediately perceived by the mind<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Third Replies<\/em>, reply to Hobbes<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/211\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 181<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 127<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/128\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>128<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>The clearest broad-sense reply: Descartes rejects Hobbes\u2019s restriction of \u201cidea\u201d to corporeal images and explicitly counts mental states such as volition and fear among ideas insofar as they are immediately perceived by the mind.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Idea and the form of perception<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/132\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Third Replies<\/em>, later reply to Hobbes<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/218\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 188<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/132\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 132<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Reinforces the broad formal\/perceptual use of \u201cidea\u201d rather than restricting the term to a corporeal or imagistic representation.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Thought as whatever we are immediately aware of<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Second Replies<\/em>, Definition I<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/190\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 160<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 113<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Provides the background definition of thought. Since thought includes operations of intellect, will, imagination, and sensation, Definition I establishes the range of conscious mental activity to which Definition II\u2019s broad definition of \u201cidea\u201d can apply; it does not by itself prove that every such mental mode contains objective reality.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Thought as everything conscious in us<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.9<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/35\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VIIIA 7<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM I 195<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Important corroborating text for the broad conception of conscious mental activity; it is a \u201cthought\u201d text, not directly an \u201cidea\u201d text.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Thought as the principal attribute of mind<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.53<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/53\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VIIIA 25<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM I 210\u2013211<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Provides the ontological basis for mental modes: thought constitutes the nature of thinking substance, and whatever belongs to mind is referred to thought. It does not by itself establish that every mode of thought contains objective reality.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Understanding, imagination, memory, volition, and other mental operations as modes of thought<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.65<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/60\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VIIIA 32<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM I 216<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Provides the more explicit modal taxonomy: understanding, imagination, memory, volition, and other mental operations are various modes of thought.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Ideas considered simply as modes of thought<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Third Meditation<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/70\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 40<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/71\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>41<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/27\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 27<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/28\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>28<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Crucial formal-reality passage: ideas considered formally are modes of thought. The passage distinguishes that formal modal status from differences arising insofar as ideas represent different things; it does not by itself establish that every conscious mental mode contains objective reality.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Strict use<\/u><\/span><\/a>: ideas as images of things<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Third Meditation<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/66\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VII 36<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>37<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/25\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM II 25<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>26<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>The principal strict-use text: the term \u201cidea\u201d applies strictly to the thing-representing aspect of thought. The immediate continuation is especially important because willing and fearing are described as thoughts that take something as their object while also containing an additional form.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Strict\/narrow vs extended\/broad use<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dokumen.pub\/descartes-conversation-with-burman-translated-with-introduction-and-commentary-by-john-cottingham-0198246714-0198245289.html\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Conversation with Burman<\/em><\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_V.djvu\/167\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT V 153<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-3\/page\/337\/mode\/2up\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSMK III 338<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Important explicit support for the strict\/broad distinction: Descartes distinguishes the strict and narrow use of \u201cidea\u201d from an extended use that can include common notions.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td><strong>Sensations regarded merely as sensations or thoughts<\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.68<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/61\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>AT VIIIA 33<\/u><\/span><\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>CSM I 217<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/td><td>Important for DTOI: sensory states can be clearly and distinctly perceived when regarded merely as sensations or thoughts. This does not establish that their phenomenal secondary-quality content internally represents corresponding qualities in external bodies.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The two anchor texts for <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">broad Cartesian \u201cidea\u201d<\/a><\/strong> are therefore <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><em>Second Replies<\/em><\/a>, Definition II: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/190\">AT VII 160<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 113<\/a><\/strong>, and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\"><em>Third Replies<\/em><\/a> to Hobbes: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/211\">AT VII 181<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 127<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/128\/mode\/1up\">128<\/a><\/strong>. The first supplies Descartes\u2019s broad formal definition, while the second confirms that he extends \u201cidea\u201d to immediately perceived mental states such as willing and fearing and does not restrict ideas to corporeal images.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\"><em>Second Replies<\/em><\/a>, Definition II: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/190\">AT VII 160<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/113\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 113<\/a><\/strong>.<br>Latin: <em>Ideae nomine intelligo cujuslibet cogitationis formam illam, per cujus immediatam perceptionem ipsius ejusdem cogitationis conscius sum.<\/em><br>English: \u201cIdea. I understand this term to mean the form of any given thought, immediate perception of which makes me aware of the thought. Hence, whenever I express something in words, and understand what I am saying, this very fact makes it certain that there is within me an idea of what is signified by the words in question. Thus it is not only the images depicted in the imagination which I call \u2018ideas\u2019. Indeed, in so far as these images are in the corporeal imagination, that is, are depicted in some part of the brain, I do not call them \u2018ideas\u2019 at all; I call them \u2018ideas\u2019 only in so far as they give form to the mind itself, when it is directed towards that part of the brain.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\"><em>Third Replies<\/em><\/a> to Hobbes: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/211\">AT VII 181<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/127\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 127<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/128\/mode\/1up\">28<\/a><\/strong>.<br>\u201cI make it quite clear in several places throughout the <em>Meditations<\/em>, and especially in this very place, that I take the term \u2018idea\u2019 to stand for whatever is immediately perceived by the mind. For example, when I will or am afraid, I simultaneously perceive that I will or am afraid; and that is why I count volition and fear among my ideas. I used the word \u2018idea\u2019 because it was the standard philosophical term used to refer to the forms of perception belonging to the divine mind, even though we recognize that God does not possess any corporeal imagination. And besides, there was not any more appropriate term at my disposal.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The best <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\"><strong>strict-use<\/strong><\/a> contrast is the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\">Third Meditation<\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/66\">AT VII 36<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\">37<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/25\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 25<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\">26<\/a><\/strong>, where Descartes characterizes strictly so-called ideas as <em>tanquam rerum imagines<\/em>, \u201cas it were the images of things.\u201d The immediate continuation is equally important: willing and fearing are single thoughts that take something as their object while including an additional form. That structure supports the DTOI analysis of a fear of a lion as one broad-sense idea whose lion-representing aspect bears objective reality while its affective aspect of fear does not. This passage should be paired with <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dokumen.pub\/descartes-conversation-with-burman-translated-with-introduction-and-commentary-by-john-cottingham-0198246714-0198245289.html\"><em>Conversation with Burman<\/em><\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_V.djvu\/167\">AT V 153<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-3\/page\/337\/mode\/2up\">CSMK III 338<\/a><\/strong>, where Descartes explicitly contrasts a strict and narrow use of \u201cidea\u201d with an extended use.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/static1.squarespace.com\/static\/590a5d8620099ec8d174e80a\/t\/592c6ac15016e1bf41a5a38f\/1496083138238\/DescartesMeditation3.pdf\">Third Meditation<\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/66\">AT VII 36<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/67\">37<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/25\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 25<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/26\/mode\/1up\">26<\/a><\/strong>.<br>Latin: <em>Quaedam ex his tanquam rerum imagines sunt, quibus solis proprie convenit ideae nomen \\ldots Aliae vero alias quasdam praeterea formas habent: ut cum volo, cum timeo, cum affirmo, cum nego, semper quidem aliquam rem ut subjectum meae cogitationis apprehendo, sed aliquid etiam amplius quam istius rei similitudinem cogitatione complector.<\/em><br>English: \u201cSome of my thoughts are as it were the images of things, and it is only these that are properly called \u2018ideas\u2019\u2014for example when I think of a man, or a chimera, or the sky, or an angel, or God. Other thoughts have other forms as well: thus when I will, or am afraid, or affirm, or deny, there is always a particular thing which I take as the subject of my thought, <strong>but my thought includes something more than the likeness of that thing<\/strong>. Some thoughts in this category are called volitions or emotions, while others are called judgements.\u201d (bold not in original)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dokumen.pub\/descartes-conversation-with-burman-translated-with-introduction-and-commentary-by-john-cottingham-0198246714-0198245289.html\"><em>Conversation with Burman<\/em><\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_V.djvu\/167\">AT V 153<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-3\/page\/337\/mode\/2up\">CSMK III 338<\/a><\/strong>.<br>\u201c[Burman:] But we have an idea of nothing, and this is not an idea of a thing.<br>[Descartes:] That idea is purely negative, and can hardly be called an idea. In this passage I am taking the word \u2018idea\u2019 in its strict and narrow sense. We do also have ideas of common notions, which are not, strictly speaking, ideas of things. But this is a rather extended use of the word \u2018idea\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the <em>ontology<\/em> of these mental states, the most important supporting references are <strong>Third Meditation: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/70\">AT VII 40<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/71\">41<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/27\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 27<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/28\/mode\/1up\">28<\/a><\/strong>, together with <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em><\/a> I.53: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/53\">AT VIIIA 25<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 210\u2013211<\/a><\/strong> and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.earlymoderntexts.com\/assets\/pdfs\/descartes1644part1.pdf\"><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em><\/a> I.65: <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/60\">AT VIIIA 32<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 216<\/a><\/strong>. These texts establish the formal reality of mental modes as modifications of thinking substance. They do not by themselves establish that every such mode contains objective reality. That further claim depends on whether, and in what respect, the mental ate internally represents something as its object.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Third Meditation, formal reality of mental modes (<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/70\">AT VII 40<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VII.djvu\/71\">41<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/27\/mode\/1up\">CSM II 27<\/a>\u2013<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes-v-2\/page\/28\/mode\/1up\">28<\/a><\/strong>)<\/strong><br>\u201cIn so far as the ideas are considered simply as modes of thought, there is no recognizable inequality among them: they all appear to come from within me in the same fashion. But in so far as different ideas represent different things, it is clear that they differ widely. \\ldots Now it is manifest by the natural light that there must be at least as much reality in the efficient and total cause as in the effect of that cause. \\ldots And this is transparently true not only in the case of effects which possess actual or formal reality, but also in the case of ideas, where one is considering only objective reality.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/uvresdedescartes08desc\/page\/n53\/mode\/2up\"><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.53<\/a><\/strong> (<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/55\">AT VIIIA 25<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 210\u201311<\/a><\/strong>)<br>\u201cA substance may indeed be known through any attribute at all; but each substance has one principal property which constitutes its nature and essence, and to which all its other properties are referred. Thus extension in length, breadth and depth constitutes the nature of corporeal substance; and thought constitutes the nature of thinking substance. Everything else which can be attributed to body presupposes extension, and is merely a mode of an extended thing; and similarly, whatever we find in the mind is simply one of the various modes of thinking. For example, shape is unintelligible except in an extended thing, and motion unintelligible except as motion in an extended space; while imagination, sensation and will are intelligible only in a thinking thing. By contrast, we can understand extension without shape or movement, and thought without imagination or sensation, and so on.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/uvresdedescartes08desc\/page\/n61\/mode\/2up\"><em>Principles of Philosophy<\/em> I.65<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Page:Descartes_-_%C5%92uvres,_%C3%A9d._Adam_et_Tannery,_VIII.djvu\/62\">AT VIIIA 32<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/dl1.cuni.cz\/pluginfile.php\/753874\/mod_resource\/content\/1\/Descartes%20Rene%20-%20Philosophical%20Writings.%20vol%201.pdf\">CSM I 216<\/a><\/strong>)<br>\u201cThought and extension can be regarded as constituting the natures of intelligent substance and corporeal substance; they must then be considered as nothing else but thinking substance itself and extended substance itself\u2014that is, as mind and body. \\ldots Thought and extension themselves have various modes \\ldots Examples of modes of thinking are understanding, imagination, recollection, volition, and so on \\ldots These more particular modes \\ldots are best perceived if we regard them simply as modes of the things of which they are modes.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These seven passages are the ones the two paragraphs actually invoke. The first pair supplies the broad definition and the explicit inclusion of willing and fearing; the Third Meditation plus Burman supply the strict <em>tanquam rerum imagines<\/em> contrast and the \u201cstrict and narrow\u201d \/ \u201cextended\u201d terminology; I.53 and I.65 (with the formal-reality stretch of AT VII 40\u201341) supply the claim that willing, fearing, understanding, etc., are modes of thinking substance and therefore possess formal reality as modifications of that substance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Presentation is not internal representation<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">DTOI distinguishes presentation from representation. A sensation presents or exhibits its phenomenal character in consciousness. Pain hurts; cold feels chilly; red appears red. But a representation of pain need not hurt, a representation of cold need not feel chilly, and a representation of red need not itself appear phenomenally red.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is the phenomenological point at the center of the argument. Sensory character is not automatically objective content. The fact that there is something it is like to undergo a sensation does not prove that the sensation internally represents an object. Sensations have <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">formal reality<\/a> as modes. Their phenomenal character does not thereby acquire <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a> or become objectively real representational content.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Sensations can still be signs<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The denial that the phenomenal secondary-quality content of sensations contains <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a> is not the denial that sensations have any world-directed role. Sensations can still function as natural signs. A cold sensation can be lawfully coordinated with certain configurations of matter in motion. Pain can be lawfully coordinated with bodily disturbance. Color sensations can be coordinated with optical and neurological conditions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is external or sign-representation, not internal representation constituted by objective reality. A sign need not resemble what it signifies, and its signifying role need not consist in internally representing what it signifies as objective content. It need only be lawfully, causally, or teleologically coordinated with what it signifies. Thus DTOI can accept that sensations represent in a broad sign-theoretic sense while denying that their phenomenal secondary-quality content is representational content constituted by objective reality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Material falsity without objective reality<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Material falsity is not formal falsity. Formal falsity belongs to judgment. A sensation does not assert anything. It does not say that cold is in the ice, that pain is in the foot, or that color is in the surface of the body. Yet a sensation can still be materially false because its own character supplies matter for error.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A cold sensation is materially false insofar as its phenomenal character presents a positivity that the intellect can mistake for a positive quality in bodies. It presents a non-thing as if a thing, not because it contains false objective reality representational content, but because its phenomenal character naturally supplies matter for false judgment. This preserves the pre-judgmental status of material falsity without making phenomenal sensory content itself either a false proposition or a God-caused misrepresentation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">The pressure on rival interpretations<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\"><strong>DTOI argument<\/strong><\/mark> challenges three common strategies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <strong>First<\/strong>, it rejects the universal-<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">OR<\/a> view. Not every mental mode called an idea contains <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <strong>Second<\/strong>, it rejects the hidden-content view. The phenomenal secondary-quality content of sensations is not latent intellectual content waiting to be clarified by reason.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <strong>Third<\/strong>, it rejects the misrepresentation view. Phenomenal secondary-quality content does not internally represent corresponding external qualities and then misrepresent them. It is presentational rather than internally representational, although sensations can still function as natural signs of bodily or environmental conditions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The misrepresentation view is especially problematic. If the phenomenal coldness of a cold sensation constitutes God-caused objective reality representational content that systematically misrepresents cold as a positive external quality, then God seems responsible for sensory deception. DTOI avoids that result. God creates a mind-body system in which sensations function as practically useful natural signs. Their phenomenal character can supply matter for error without itself constituting false objective reality representational content. Formal error enters when the intellect judges that the phenomenal qualities presented in sensation correspond to qualities belonging intrinsically to body.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">Recommended order of reading<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This post provides the <strong>best starting point<\/strong> for the central DTOI argument. For the more technical statement of the underlying framework, see:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/dtoi-baseline-for-chatgpt\/\">DTOI &amp; Non-DTOI Baselines for AI Models<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then read the <strong>central cold-sensation arguments<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/sensation\/proving-that-cold-sensations-do-not-have-any-objective-reality-to-bings-copilot-with-chatgpt-4\/\">Proving that Cold Sensations Do not have Any Objective Reality to Bing\u2019s Copilot<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/sensation\/proving-sensations-are-ideas-with-no-objective-reality-to-scholargpt\/\">Proving sensations are ideas with no objective reality to ScholarGPT<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/sensation\/how-cartesian-cold-sensations-are-or-are-not-representational-with-scholar-gpt\/\">How Cartesian cold sensations are or are not representational with Scholar GPT<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the <strong>broader theory of material falsity<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/39363\/\">What Makes an Idea Materially False in Descartes\u2019s Theory of Ideas?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/presentation-without-representation-material-falsity-the-recoverable-intelligibility-of-ideas-and-cold-sensations-in-descartes\/\">Presentation Without Representation: Material Falsity, the Recoverable Intelligibility of Ideas, and Cold Sensations in Descartes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For <strong>material falsity and Arnauld<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/on-problems-with-objective-reality-and-the-material-falsity-of-sensations-with-chatgpt-4o\/\">Privations, Sensations, and Objective Reality<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the <strong>God-deceiver problem<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/material-falsity\/proving-god-is-not-a-deceiver-because-sensations-lack-objectively-real-contents-to-scholargpt-v2-october-2023\/\">Proving God is not a deceiver because sensations lack objectively real contents<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For engagement with <strong>major sensory-representation interpretations<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/representation\/alison-simmons-on-sensations-as-representations-and-objective-reality\/\">Alison Simmons on sensations as representations and objective reality<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/sensation\/critiquing-raffaella-de-rosas-descartes-on-sensory-misrepresentation-the-case-of-materially-false-ideas-with-chatgpt-4-5-february-2025\/\">Critiquing Raffaella De Rosa\u2019s \u201cDescartes on Sensory Misrepresentation\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-green-cyan-color\">The question for Cartesian scholars<\/mark><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The challenge for the universal-OR interpretation is straightforward: specify exactly what constitutes the objective reality representational content of a cold sensation. DTOI argues that every plausible candidate fails. The resulting conclusion is not that cold sensations are unreal, indeterminate, or cognitively insignificant. It is that their phenomenal coldness is not OR-bearing representational content.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"129\" class=\"wp-image-46564\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png\" alt=\"An enhanced and colorized golden ornate emblem shaped like a shield or spade displays the stylized letters D.T.O.I. intertwined in gold, framed by decorative curved spiky golden flourishes.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504.png 1024w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-150x129.png 150w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_3504-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\"  loading=\"lazy\"\/>See my post that defends this conclusion: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/objective-reality\/why-there-are-no-successful-candidates-for-sq-sensations-objective-reality-content\/\">Why There Are No Successful Candidates For SQ-Sensations Objective Reality Content<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cartesian SQ-sensations are <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">broad-sense ideas<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">formally real<\/a> mental modes, and natural signs of bodily or environmental conditions. But their phenomenal secondary-quality content does not contain <a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/how-my-dtoi-baseline-accounts-for-material-falsity\/#glossary\">objective reality<\/a>. Considered with respect to that phenomenal content, they present without internally representing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:50px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"173\" class=\"wp-image-43985\" style=\"width: 1200px;\" src=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059.jpeg\" alt=\"A metallic chain stretches horizontally across a bright cyan band against a pale gray-white background.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059.jpeg 1142w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059-300x43.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059-1024x148.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059-150x22.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1059-768x111.jpeg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"  loading=\"eager\"\/><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:100px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">NOTES<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n<ul class=\"modern-footnotes-list \"><li id=\"footnote-00000000000037420000000000000000_46246-1\"><span>1<\/span><div><span style=\"color:blue\">To see the many Cartesian commentators who hold either that all ideas contain objective reality or the weaker thesis that all ideas are representational, see my \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/orientation\/condensation-why-objective-reality-cannot-be-descartess-theory-of-thought-burman-common-notions-and-the-failure-of-the-strict-idea-model\/#TableOfCartesianCommentators\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><u>Cartesian Commentators on the Status of Ideas<\/u><\/span><\/a>.\u201d<\/span><br><br><br> <a href=\"#mfn-content-00000000000037420000000000000000_46246-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-scroll-to-footnote\" aria-label=\"Back to reference 1 in text\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/div><\/li><\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The central claim I reject the widely assumed claim that every Cartesian idea, merely in virtue of being an idea, contains objectively real representational content (OR). That universal thesis is too strong. Descartes\u2019s purely strict ideas contain objective reality because they internally represent something as the object of thought. By \u201cobjective reality representational content,\u201d I [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":46395,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_xspeed_no_cache":false,"_xspeed_expiry_hours":0,"footnotes":"","ekit_post_views_count":"284"},"categories":[10],"tags":[35,42,93],"class_list":["post-46246","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-orientation","tag-objective-reality","tag-representation","tag-sensations"],"custom_fields":{"ekit_post_views_count":"284","footnotes":""},"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/drdavidcring.net\/descartes-ideas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/IMG_1272bb.jpeg","author_info":{"info":["Dr. David C. 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